Post by Morgaine ᚛ᚋᚑᚏᚌᚐᚔᚅᚓ᚜ on Dec 8, 2018 19:52:28 GMT -5
So, I posted a question on the "Current Shared Dreaming" thread last month which has yet to be answered. It would be nice to follow up on this, or if we've already done it, on any of the list of unanswered questions from last Samhain-Tide, before the Tide is over.
Post by Morgaine ᚛ᚋᚑᚏᚌᚐᚔᚅᚓ᚜ on Dec 21, 2018 3:52:33 GMT -5
Okay, well since there are no thoughts or comments on my previous post, I will simply share a bit about our Midwinter observance...
Br. Myrddin is still recovering from his adventures at work, so he is actually sleeping peacefully now while I stay up to greeting the changing solar tide. Despite that this is supposed not to happen until around 5:20pm today, I actually started to feel the shift about five minutes ago as a stirring sensation at my solar plexus ... a "flutter", if you will, as one feels in anticipation of something or when one senses something unseen is approaching. I do not believe this sensation is arising from any emotions or thoughts I was having at the time. Quite the opposite. I was thinking about Br. Myrddin, and not the solstice when I noticed the shift. The anticipation seems to be coming from the environment around me, and moving through me down the ley lines that pass through the house. It's what prompted me to post, actually. The feeling is slowly settling to more of a "hum" now as the Light Centre activates and attunes to the solar energy passing through the Earth from below the horizon. Based on this, I expect the sunrise to be rather more potent that I might otherwise have imagined given the torrential rain which has been falling, and continues to fall outside. It was so dark driving home from errands earlier that it was more like Moondark than Full Moon.
I am eager to hear how our Group Fire Offering burns today (assuming Sr. Da'jeena got it, read my messages about it, and burns it), and to hear how all of you experienced this shift. It feels particularly good to me as we move into it ...
In fact, Br. Myrddin just woke up and asked if the shift had happened, as he thought he felt it, too!
Three First Parts for Understanding: an eye to see what is; a heart to feel what is; and a boldness that dares to follow.
Post by Morgaine ᚛ᚋᚑᚏᚌᚐᚔᚅᚓ᚜ on Jan 11, 2019 13:12:15 GMT -5
Greetings, Sisters and Brothers,
A few months ago, we agreed to let minimum posting at the Forum (a member requirement) go for Core Members, so long as we each made regular, active efforts to get the word out about ADO, and to keep each other posted on the strategies and progress we employed to do so. This is not something I am prepared to "take on faith", since (aside from our individual participation as members) this is what we give in exchange for 19 years of constant training from the Order --most of which mentoring I provided. So on a purely selfish level, it's what I get as payment for my services.
Of course, we also made this promise, so here is what we have been doing:
Researching groups, clubs, "Meet-ups", and other possible opportunities to meet like-minded people who might be (or become) interested in ADO
Taking time when in Floyd, Christiansburg, and Blacksburg to visit places where like-minded people might spend time, and "seeding" interest through casual conversations about metaphysics
Posting to message boards and Blogs where like-minded people seem to be gathering
We don't do, and never plan to become involved with "social" media, so we're not investigating that avenue. We leave that to those of you who spend time on those platforms.
So, my dears, what have you each been doing to get the word out about ADO? We await your reports with baited breath!
Post by Cal ᚛ᚉᚐᚂᚋᚐᚅ᚜ on Jan 11, 2019 16:08:34 GMT -5
I have been using the permaculture course to make contacts with people who may show interest in ADO. They are an eclectic collection of folks following a diverse variety of paths, some rather vague, some more well defined. In any case, I have had discussions about ADO with a few of them and will continue to gently let that information drift like pollen amongst them to see it anything will take hold. There is a meeting coming up of another local eco-group which I may attend to test the waters there, I suspect there will be some like-minded people in that bunch as well.
Post by Refthi-Meliaska ᚛ᚏᚓᚃᚈᚆᚔᚋᚓᚂᚘᚄᚉ on Jan 12, 2019 15:58:50 GMT -5
I have to admit that I don't remember the conversation about the promises, but I have been know to lose track of items, direction, time, my mind. Thank you for checking in for progress. I think that it is a good goal and way to go.
I have been wrapped up in work and home. I have in the past tried to look up on line for pagan groups locally and such. Looking up just now shows that there are several Wiccan groups in Philly area, but only open group is outside of the area. I do feel that I need to still keep a low profile locally, especial considering H's school.
I would be happy to help add my voice to forums, if you wouldn't mind recommending a couple Sr Morgaine to get me started. I won't mind checking out a couple of chat rooms ( instead of reading on the porcelain throne....) if someone could steer me in that direction.
Post by Morgaine ᚛ᚋᚑᚏᚌᚐᚔᚅᚓ᚜ on Jan 15, 2019 16:54:03 GMT -5
Greetings, Br. Cal and Sr. Refthi,
And thank you for posting! Br. Cal, your efforts may feel unrewarded in this regard for some time, but don't give up. You never know how they will ripple out or who might turn up later on through word of mouth from the people you're meeting now. And even if nothing ever happens, at least we're trying to get the word out, so there's still hope.
Sr. Refthi, we talked about it several times with regard to whether to keep the nonprofit and reciprocation for 19 years of training. We agreed that we couldn't ditch the Forum requirement unless we replaced it with something else that would get the word out there, and advertising has proven to be ineffective. Without us doing anything to grow it, ADO has zero chance of growing or continuing after we're gone or move on. A nonprofit that will only ever be for five people is nothing but a vanity project, and if we're not going to grow it then I can't afford to keep teaching here for free, etc. (I am repeating this for anyone here who doesn't remember these conversations, and not just for you.)
The biggest place I've found to post to other Druids and Pagans is a board called Pagan Space. It's a lot like this Forum in the sense that it's a message board, but it's big enough that you might be able to meet other people locally and if any of us actually participated there regularly we could get the word out about ADO, at least. It's also unlikely that anyone from your job would be on it unless they are Pagan, too. I created an account there with the hopes of offering a simple Intro to Avalon course, but by the time I finish working on the websites, trying to finish the Book of Rites, doing my email, researching for ADO and our prospective businesses, and applying for jobs, I've got to log off if I'm ever going to get any sewing, cooking, or house work done. So my efforts have remained local.
Posting there would probably be more effective in terms of getting people to come and have a first look at ADO, but if all they find once they get here is a website and a message board where no one has posted for years, we'll have to see how interested they remain. I could see offering short, "workshop-y" courses once a quarter or posting there once a week being effective, but I am not sure whether posting less would have any significant effect. We can see. We may find that we still have to keep this place going to keep people interested once we get them here --especially if they are used to communicating via a message board. But if we never try, we'll never know, so I am eager to hear what avenues we're all exploring and what results or information we're getting. Maybe we should be asking people where they go to connect, study, and have meaningful discussions with other like-minded people?
In any case, agreeing to do this is partly about getting more information about where to find/connect with like-minded people and what their expectations are for distance learning, etc. Getting a better view of the current lay of the land, so we can work up more effective strategies and waste less valuable time. If we try things, and they don't work, then hopefully at least we'll know why they failed, and whether other groups are experiencing the same challenges, etc., which is more than we know at present.
I think we'd all be happier and more engaged if more of the right people joined up, especially if we can find people to form local Hearths, Henges, or Groves. If, for whatever reason, we're not going to do what's necessary to grow the Order, then in my view, we should dissolve the nonprofit, shut down the website and Forum, drop all the member requirements, stop the formal mentoring and just be a discussion group (since we couldn't meet for ritual if we're not doing the work together to support doing it safely and well). This is our effort to avoid that outcome.
Love and blessings--
Three First Parts for Understanding: an eye to see what is; a heart to feel what is; and a boldness that dares to follow.
Post by Morgaine ᚛ᚋᚑᚏᚌᚐᚔᚅᚓ᚜ on Mar 18, 2019 13:03:35 GMT -5
Before I post my Immram results, there is something I need to voice (again):
1. Since it is obvious that our plan to replace the Member Forum posting requirement with outreach through social media or local Avalon teas, etc. has led not to new forms of outreach, but to no outreach at all, I move that we revert to posting to both the public and private areas of the Forum, one post in each, each month (because a dead public area won't attract any new Aspirants, and a dead private area won't keep any new Aspirants with us).
2. Also, could the Council members please tell me whether and when we are holding our Imbolc Council Meeting about the nonprofit status?
That said, let me move on to posting the results of my Immram:
"What can each of our Sisters do to support healing the wound to the Sacred Masculine?"
(Second try: the Forum ate my first post)
My starting place looks like winter, my Guides come quickly, and at the Woodland Altar I leave a black rose, carved in jet. The wood is quiet and dark, and the stream empty of fish, though there are some crane or heron prints along the bank and some miniature mossy tendrils that resemble seaweeds or grasses flutter within the stream. The mist is thin until I reach the lakeshore, and the Barge comes swiftly and I exchange tokens with my Guide without incident. We pass through the mists and the Isle is in daylight, with a handful of black-robed people working silently at the shore and I disembark. Footprints appear and disappear on the shore as I restate my intention. The journey up the Tor is swift, but my Guide draws me into Ceridwen's Cave before we reach the summit. There I am shown an object which resembles a red-ochre-painted clay donut in a matching, flat-bottomed bowl. When I ask what this object is, or what it represents, my Guide leads me back down to the mirror pool.
The image in the pool seems to shift between cloudy, moonlit night and bright but sun-less day. Eventually, I see Tribes men and women, first working on their own inside and outside, and then sitting and working together in circle. They appear to be weaving a huge hoop out of reeds or straw. They work quietly, without the constant jabbering typical of modern gatherings, except for occasional stories and songs. There is no sense of hierarchy or competition for attention in the group at all. During the quiet moments they seem to be attuning to each other's energies and feelings, and listening to each other's thoughts. It reminds me that I have seen this happening when working with mentors and their groups overseas; I have also read about it being common within truly native/aboriginal communities. It is a deep, meditative communion, rather than mindless babble or mental isolation; a deep sense of peace and heart connection.
The image fades, and my Guide begins to lead me to the shore again. I ask her whether there is more to see, and she says, "This is the root of the matter. Do this, and you will know what comes next." I ask again about the object I was shown in Ceridwen's Cave, but she only smiles and says, "Perhaps you should ask the Brothers."
Post by Morgaine ᚛ᚋᚑᚏᚌᚐᚔᚅᚓ᚜ on Mar 18, 2019 17:50:04 GMT -5
REPOSTED FOR SR. REFTHI:
M. Prettyman 13:24 (5 hours ago) to me, ebby
I was able to do it prior to my procedure, but it was brief. Here is a summary.
I was able to get to Avalon without problems. Once landing, I told my Avalon guide the question. He asked me who I wanted to see. I asked ask him who would be best. He told me through a lush pathway of soft green leaves to a bower of green. At the entrance was an Owl. I went in and saw a women with light brown long hair ( yes, same color of the owl outside). Then noticed a woman sitting to her left with darker brown hair. I asked my question, respectfully. Then in my mind I am thinking, I am scripting, I didn't feel that my presence in Avalon wasn't the strongest. Then the first woman pointed at a small pool of water in front of me to the right. I look at it. A plume of clear, water with whitish edges shoots up, like a geyser, then drops down. Then the figure of a woman lies on the pool without sinking like it is a smooth surface. The water shoots up again, raises her up. She turns to standing and the water clothes her in a shining white long sleeveless robe/gown.
I look to the two Ladies in front of me. I ask how can I personally help the sacred masculine. The one on the left steps up to me, puts her hand on my left cheek and then my heart and gave me a small smile.
I thanked then and left. Returning to my starting place without problems.
Not sure what it all means. Got to run, but wanted to post. I will probably not be checking emails until tomorrow.
Post by Cal ᚛ᚉᚐᚂᚋᚐᚅ᚜ on Jul 31, 2019 19:22:24 GMT -5
re: the white rose doorway project
Another attempt at doorway done in three phases showed the following: 1. a broad plain of green grass rising to low hills in the distance, a line of figures in cloaks move diagonally away from my position toward the hills.
2. a flat silver/gray sea, no waves dead calm reflective like molten lead, a few large birds can be seen soaring in the distance over the water.
3. I am on the top of a hill looking over what appears to be the plain seen in #1. I can see the gray water in the distance beyond the plain and the figures moving toward me. It appears to be an island as I can see water all around in the far distance.
Post by Refthi-Meliaska ᚛ᚏᚓᚃᚈᚆᚔᚋᚓᚂᚘᚄᚉ on Sept 17, 2019 13:51:45 GMT -5
I am addressing Sr Morgaine's question about where to go with the White Rose come Samhain. I agree to continue with the pursuit. And I think that it is okay to continue our search for new Aspirants concurrently. For me I would like to continue with the White Rose and the divisions, the split of the Sister and Brotherhood, how does it apply ie lessons to be learned. I find it interesting that this is an origin for the present day religious secret societies of the Church, though I am not surprised. And it makes sense that it that this evolved while society moved from Nature based to Science based.
Post by Morgaine ᚛ᚋᚑᚏᚌᚐᚔᚅᚓ᚜ on Oct 1, 2019 11:50:33 GMT -5
Greetings, Sr. Refthi,
I think you are right on track, Sr. Refthi. Let me see if I can summarize what we have got so far...
We need to fit the current phase of the continuing White Rose work into Cycle. Samhain is Re-emergence for the Tribes, when we bring the Shadow issue to light, so that we can put a plan into motion to resolve it at Imbolc. (At the Druid/personal level, we're digging for more of the individual patterns relating to the next phase of White Rose.)
So, we're going after a Shadow related to divisions in our community which mirror the divisions suggested by the White Rose work: divisions between the Sister and Brotherhoods (women and men). If the actual divisions are not visible, yet, then we need to dig much deeper to identify the seed issues which would eventually lead to such divisions (e.g. hidden resentments, biases, fears, etc., rooted in the familial and societal relations between women and men), and bring these seed issues to light to be addressed before actual divisions appear.
Have I got this right? If so, then...
I believe these seed issues are there just beneath the surface. Because we meet mostly online/by phone, it could take years for them to manifest as visible divisions within our community. In the meantime, our intellectual awareness of White Rose issues could seduce us into assuming we have no White Rose problems at all. But I believe they are simply lying dormant, waiting for the right trigger to activate them. Otherwise, why would this even come up?
I also suspect we're often blind to the subtler ways White Rose issues may manifest. For example, whenever politics come up for discussion our reactions are often out of proportion to the current news cycle or recent societal influences. They are more than overwhelm or frustration over current chatter. The intensity of our emotional reactions tell me their source runs much deeper. Ultimately, local/regional culture, language usage, class, race, and yes, party politics, are all directly tied to gender issues, and our response to issues relating to them is shaped by our upbringing, our expectations, our life experiences, and the outside sources from which we derive a sense of identity and validation. Therefore, these are the areas I suspect could serve as our seismographs when searching for where White Rose issues may be taking root.
What do you think? I look forward to everyone's thoughts!